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		<title>By: Mito Habe-Evans</title>
		<link>http://blog.david-kennedy.com/2010/07/14/one-image-three-versions/comment-page-1/#comment-1316</link>
		<dc:creator>Mito Habe-Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2010 23:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What? Cropping is unethical? Why, because you choose to leave some things in frame and not others? Isn&#039;t that what we do when we frame an image when we take the photo? Whether the editorial decision is made before the shutter is pressed or after, it doesn&#039;t matter, every photograph is a product of a decision made by the photographer to include certain things and exclude others. If cropping is unethical, by that standard even composing a photo is unethical, we might as well stop taking pictures. 

Nice pic, David. I know how much you like your squares :) but I like the wide or the vertical. The girl&#039;s head almost touching the left side of the square throws off the balance a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What? Cropping is unethical? Why, because you choose to leave some things in frame and not others? Isn&#8217;t that what we do when we frame an image when we take the photo? Whether the editorial decision is made before the shutter is pressed or after, it doesn&#8217;t matter, every photograph is a product of a decision made by the photographer to include certain things and exclude others. If cropping is unethical, by that standard even composing a photo is unethical, we might as well stop taking pictures. </p>
<p>Nice pic, David. I know how much you like your squares <img src='http://blog.david-kennedy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  but I like the wide or the vertical. The girl&#8217;s head almost touching the left side of the square throws off the balance a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Tamura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Tamura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 06:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aloha Dave,

Thanks for the reply and explanation/clarification.  

I would still beg to differ on the cropping, which I think is quite extreme and cropping to remove people is really not a whole lot different than just cloning them out.  I would of just used a longer lens to keep the same perspective and/or turned the camera on it&#039;s side to shoot a vertical.  The moment will not be the same, but that is the art and skill of photography.

I am a self thought photographer and really learned through working at a local newspaper that really had no rules and since it was &quot;pre-digital&quot; you could not do a whole lot to break any photojournalism rules, except maybe when posing people, which I never did.

Thanks for the info on the 20mm Panasonic and I seem to read comments going both ways.  I guess my main concern was using a Olympus lens on a Panasonic, since things like distortion and CA is software/camera corrected, but I guess firmware, in both camera and lens, should be correcting the cross brand use?  I also just thought that the classic 35mm equivalent was a good way to go, but F/1.8 sure is tempting!

Also found your issue with the focus adjustment (and correction) with your 7D and 400mm DO very interesting.  Makes me wonder that my 30D (yes, don&#039;t laugh!) is out of alignment, but nothing I can do myself to correct it!

Keep up the great work!

Mahalo, Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aloha Dave,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply and explanation/clarification.  </p>
<p>I would still beg to differ on the cropping, which I think is quite extreme and cropping to remove people is really not a whole lot different than just cloning them out.  I would of just used a longer lens to keep the same perspective and/or turned the camera on it&#8217;s side to shoot a vertical.  The moment will not be the same, but that is the art and skill of photography.</p>
<p>I am a self thought photographer and really learned through working at a local newspaper that really had no rules and since it was &#8220;pre-digital&#8221; you could not do a whole lot to break any photojournalism rules, except maybe when posing people, which I never did.</p>
<p>Thanks for the info on the 20mm Panasonic and I seem to read comments going both ways.  I guess my main concern was using a Olympus lens on a Panasonic, since things like distortion and CA is software/camera corrected, but I guess firmware, in both camera and lens, should be correcting the cross brand use?  I also just thought that the classic 35mm equivalent was a good way to go, but F/1.8 sure is tempting!</p>
<p>Also found your issue with the focus adjustment (and correction) with your 7D and 400mm DO very interesting.  Makes me wonder that my 30D (yes, don&#8217;t laugh!) is out of alignment, but nothing I can do myself to correct it!</p>
<p>Keep up the great work!</p>
<p>Mahalo, Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Thomas,
I never said the first image wasn&#039;t cropped :)

I do appreciate your concern in this case, but while there are many things one could do that would be unethical for a story-telling photograph within the context of photojournalism, simply changing the dimensions within the frame isn&#039;t one of them.  If I were to remove (or add) something from the frame--clone someone out, get rid of a tree branch or a power line--that would be crossing a line.  I even believe that heavy toning (you see a lot of really bizarre toning these days that completely changes the content of the photograph by completely inverting its mood: making a light scene extremely dark, for instance.  Indeed, the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nppa.org/professional_development/business_practices/ethics.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Association of Press Photographers&#039; Code of Ethics&lt;/a&gt; states that: &quot;Editing should maintain the integrity of the photographic images&#039; content and context. Do not manipulate images or add or alter sound in any way that can mislead viewers or misrepresent subjects.&quot;

Your experience leads me to believe that the code of ethics at the paper you were at was even more strict than the NPPA&#039;s guidelines.  That said, I do appreciate the observation!

Oh, and the Panasonic G1 is a great little camera, regardless of which lens you put in front of it.  The Oly 17mm is surprisingly good, but if you could dig deeper into your pockets (I can&#039;t because I&#039;m always buying other things!) the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 is supposed to be a significant improvement over Olympus&#039; pancake lens.  Also, DPReview just put up &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dpreview.com/news/1007/10071201panasonicg2review.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;their thoughts on the Panasonic G2&lt;/a&gt;.  Maybe you can get a used G1 on eBay?

Cheers,
David</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Thomas,<br />
I never said the first image wasn&#8217;t cropped <img src='http://blog.david-kennedy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I do appreciate your concern in this case, but while there are many things one could do that would be unethical for a story-telling photograph within the context of photojournalism, simply changing the dimensions within the frame isn&#8217;t one of them.  If I were to remove (or add) something from the frame&#8211;clone someone out, get rid of a tree branch or a power line&#8211;that would be crossing a line.  I even believe that heavy toning (you see a lot of really bizarre toning these days that completely changes the content of the photograph by completely inverting its mood: making a light scene extremely dark, for instance.  Indeed, the <a href="http://www.nppa.org/professional_development/business_practices/ethics.html" rel="nofollow">National Association of Press Photographers&#8217; Code of Ethics</a> states that: &#8220;Editing should maintain the integrity of the photographic images&#8217; content and context. Do not manipulate images or add or alter sound in any way that can mislead viewers or misrepresent subjects.&#8221;</p>
<p>Your experience leads me to believe that the code of ethics at the paper you were at was even more strict than the NPPA&#8217;s guidelines.  That said, I do appreciate the observation!</p>
<p>Oh, and the Panasonic G1 is a great little camera, regardless of which lens you put in front of it.  The Oly 17mm is surprisingly good, but if you could dig deeper into your pockets (I can&#8217;t because I&#8217;m always buying other things!) the Panasonic 20mm f/1.7 is supposed to be a significant improvement over Olympus&#8217; pancake lens.  Also, DPReview just put up <a href="http://www.dpreview.com/news/1007/10071201panasonicg2review.asp" rel="nofollow">their thoughts on the Panasonic G2</a>.  Maybe you can get a used G1 on eBay?</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
David</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Tamura</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Tamura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Dave!  Found your site a month or so ago after doing a search for images taken with a Panasonic G1 and Olympus 17mm - a combo that I would like to get in the near future.  Anyway as to your questions about which crop looks best, I think the &quot;full frame&quot; looks great and isn&#039;t it un-ethical to crop that much when it comes to photojournalism?  Sorry, but that is what come to mind when you asked the question.  Having done photojournalism in a past life, it still is in the back of my mind no matter what type of photography I am doing and even while I am shooting.  Just curious as I left the newspaper business before digital cameras really dominated (and I&#039;m not very old!)  Keep up the great work and I always check for updates!  Mahalo, Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dave!  Found your site a month or so ago after doing a search for images taken with a Panasonic G1 and Olympus 17mm &#8211; a combo that I would like to get in the near future.  Anyway as to your questions about which crop looks best, I think the &#8220;full frame&#8221; looks great and isn&#8217;t it un-ethical to crop that much when it comes to photojournalism?  Sorry, but that is what come to mind when you asked the question.  Having done photojournalism in a past life, it still is in the back of my mind no matter what type of photography I am doing and even while I am shooting.  Just curious as I left the newspaper business before digital cameras really dominated (and I&#8217;m not very old!)  Keep up the great work and I always check for updates!  Mahalo, Thomas</p>
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